It caught me off guard that this book was more than a novel about a guy stuck under unfavorable conditions trying to solve a whodunit. It turned out to be so much more. It almost in a way is a revolution changing all of time. Who would have imagined?! It gets one questioning everything they know about the past! I've never been one to delve into the many and sometimes monotonous layers of history, but this book got me quickly thinking significantly more dynamic about historical events and how their stories come about.
This novel seems to define "history" as events that have happened in the past and are recorded in textbooks and history books alike. "Tonypandy" is the word the characters seem to exclaim whenever one of these events of the past that is a fixed part of "history" is proven to be fictional or made-up somewhere down the line.
If one actually thinks about it for a bit, it is actually very easy for the facts of events that happened so long ago to become misconstrued and contorted especially considering who is recording them to begin with. People in social scenes today can't even get the facts of events that happened yesterday straightened out which is how rumors spread about. "Tonypandy" is most likely first established when someone who is biased to one side of the story tells the story through their eyes or in a censored way as to put themselves into a better light. The book mentions how in hindsight the lies were obvious to pick out because Henry VII was so mysterious about his actions as opposed to Richard III who had nothing to hide. "Tonypandy" then after that will start to evolve into a more rounded "story" rather than narratives of real life just by human nature alone, and these sometimes ridiculous fairy tale-like tales continue to get passed down from there just by tradition.
I got the notion especially towards the end that the book's stance on history is that one must question everything and not be quick to believe anything you hear about in history. It's something that has always been in the back of the mind especially whenever I consider the classic story of Thanksgiving. This novel, however, has brought it to the very front of my mind, and now that I consider it, I think there are a lot of facts maybe that are left out in history, and therefore, manipulating how one thinks of events in history. However, it is extreme to think that all events are fabrications of the mind and didn't actually happen. This novel does have an extraordinary point, and it's stance is definitely probably true some of the time.
I think "definitely probably true" sums it up pretty well. I said the something similar in my earlier post about how things in history get twisted all the time. I thought it was because people don't think events are significant enough to take note of, not realizing that everything has an impact on everything in the future. You brought it to such a small scale of rumors and fairy-tales that I hadn't even thought about. You're right though! Fact can become fiction so quickly, it's no wonder history is so confusing. I definitely agree with the skepticism of everything as well, and I'm sure we're not the only ones.
ReplyDeleteI think "definitely probably true" sums it up pretty well. I said the something similar in my earlier post about how things in history get twisted all the time. I thought it was because people don't think events are significant enough to take note of, not realizing that everything has an impact on everything in the future. You brought it to such a small scale of rumors and fairy-tales that I hadn't even thought about. You're right though! Fact can become fiction so quickly, it's no wonder history is so confusing. I definitely agree with the skepticism of everything as well, and I'm sure we're not the only ones.
ReplyDelete"This novel does have an extraordinary point, and it's stance is definitely probably true some of the time." I love this quote. History is definitely being manipulated to lead us all to think of events in a certain light. It would be so cool to have access to everything our two curious researchers rummaged through but in American context. Manifestos, court documents... I could get lost forever trying to find the truth.
ReplyDelete"This novel does have an extraordinary point, and it's stance is definitely probably true some of the time." A stopped clock is right twice a day and I feel sometimes it is the same with history despite peoples best efforts to paint their own narrative.
ReplyDeleteI love how you said "a stopped clock is right twice a day," and related it to history. I think that's really cool. Sort of like, no matter what someone says, it's bound to be true at some point? That's what I got out of it anyway. Mary, I really liked reading this post. At the end, you used the word "manipulating" and I think that's a really nice choice for this discussion; the manipulation of history is probable, but even if there is manipulation one could argue that 'where there's smoke there's fire'.
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ReplyDeleteYour post definitely reminded me of a time when I got into a huge debate with my religious mother. I grew up in a Christian-esque household (even though I've forged my own path somewhere else). My mom is super religious and sees the Bible as 100% factual.
Now, I'm not going to go on and on about religion and the huge row we had but my argument towards my mother was that the Bible has been changed a billion times to suit the needs of whoever was ruling at the time. I pointed out that maybe King James didn't like how Jesus said something and had it changed and we would be none the wiser because now there is a King James Bible. That we perhaps have no clue what the Bible's message truly is because it's been changed and moved around by priests and kings throughout hundreds of years.
Your post brings that up. We have no effing clue what really happened in the past. We only have someone's interpretation that happened to last through time that we now take as fact.
Now, I could go on for hours arguing with my mother about the Bible and what could "possibly" be real or fake, but what's the point? Everyone wants to believe what they want to and that's okay. Some people believe that the pyramids were made from an alien blueprint. We don't have evidence suggesting its true and yet we don't have evidence proving it not true.
I guess history is more of a subjective topic than an objective one.
I don't think that many people in this class are history buffs. Also, the way the book was written in the beginning had everyone convinced that it was going to be a certain kind of book, but then the author turns around and changes it up. It made the who thing much more interesting. Though I did suffer through the confusing parts, it was just really hard to follow sometimes.
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